Recent US government reports, videos, and interviews with credible witnesses (e.g. Navy pilots) have been released recently that discuss unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), sometimes referred to as UFOs (unidentified flying objects). Are they technology? Are they natural phenomena? How should we read and understand such reports and videos? Jay Boisseau and Jessica Sager interview Dr. J. Craig Wheeler, renowned astrophysicist (and also science fiction writer) about these reports and why we should be careful about assuming they are extraterrestrial, or even flying, or possibly event ‘objects,’ and how we might better pursue answers and understanding to determine what these UAPs are. Listen to the full episode anywhere you listen to podcasts or here: https://www.austinforum.org/files/theme/theupload/AF-S3E15.mp3